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Flickr is falling by the wayside

Friday, September 23rd, 2011

The more I’ve used G+, the less I’ve been interested in Flickr. Some of it is the interaction – it’s so much smoother in G+, it’s almost painful to use Flickr. A lot of it is just their lack of attention to detail.

Interaction is probably the largest bit. It’s easy to follow other photo producers. But leave a comment, and it’s nearly impossible to track replies to your comments. It’s fine for building a following, or a list of followers. It’s a failure for building interpersonal ties. That’s unforgiveable in the age of social media, I think.

But it’s solveable. I suppose there are third-party apps that could help, or other workarounds. Flickr could (god forbid) do some actual development of their own site. Shoot, even Facebook rolled out a bunch of features recently. If they could shift quickly, surely Flickr could?

But if Flickr were to try to adapt, I fear their lack of attention to detail would kill them. It’s a hard thing to define – why are Google’s, 500px, and others’ sites so much easier to use? Why do bugs still exist in Flickr’s interface?

The experience on other sites isn’t perfect. But Flickr – shoot, I can’t click on images in the web app. My Android phone won’t position the lightbox-enabled photo properly. That’s a pretty important piece, don’t you think?

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Google+ limits

Sunday, September 4th, 2011

I just read last week (sorry, lost the post) that there is a maximum of 250 remember posts on G+. Rather, there are 250 maximum browseable posts. You can search all you want.

I’m not sure what to make of this. It certainly changes much of the perception of its value, at least to me. From what I understand, direct links work . But if you try to browse through someone’s posts, it stops after 23 pages or so.

This is rational to me from a programming standpoint. But from a user standpoint, this is pretty bad. Not a deal-breaker, but certainly means that I can’t give up on the blog just yet…

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Flickr and G+, followup

Sunday, August 21st, 2011

Yesterday I mentioned how Google+ is far superior for interaction.  It seems that I missed a thread on Metafilter titled “Flickring Out” where similar thoughts were brought up.  Among the more interesting points, things to not forget:

  • Thomas Hawk doesn’t exist.  He’s really Andrew Petersen, a San-Francisco-based stockbroker (direct link).
  • The overall consensus of Hawk isn’t terribly positive.  Similar to my own. I do find it interesting that people criticize his work, when in my mind it is very much subjective.
  • A link (from here) to the most important page on Flickr. Yes indeed: the contacts page is indeed quite a mess. This ties in to my complaints about comments.
  • There is a definite feeling that Yahoo has killed Flickr.  Flickr, after their previous layoffs, has definitely lost their key supporters.
  • There is a feeling that the quality of photographers has dropped.  I believe they are heading for 500px and similar sites, where they are taken more seriously.
  • I get a feeling that Flickr has become a commodity to Yahoo.  They are turning into the Budweiser of photo-sharing sites.
  • There are multiple complaints from people that their comments/contacts have dropped off.  I have noticed the same.
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Flickr and G+

Saturday, August 20th, 2011

Many photographers are flocking to Google+ these days. It’s the best thing ever, they say. They crow about the superior browsing of photos, and the engagement they get from fellow photographers on G+. I agree with them but I think they’re just a bit off, conceptually.

Coming at this from a different angle: I’ve finally put my finger on what it is that frustrates me about Flickr, yet excites me about Google+. It’s the interaction.

On Flickr, you can comment. But it’s hard to follow a thread of conversation – you get lost in the noise, as it were. You can follow comments on your photos, but you lose yourself on other peoples’ threads.

G+ really doesn’t have that problem. Not yet, at least. Since there aren’t thousands of annoying banners, invites, etc., you don’t lose track of the conversation.

So for me, that’s really it. Flickr still has its place, but barely. Google+ is more appropriate (for now) for connecting with like-minded people.

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Google+ celebrities

Monday, August 1st, 2011
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Keep Off

I’ve been playing around on Google+ lately and am a bit confused by all of the so-called “must follow” lists out there. In particular, I’m surprised to see Thomas Hawk’s name bandied about so often, when his actions seem to be detrimental to photography in general.

Perhaps it’s my poor memory, but it seems to me that I’ve only noticed his name in conjunction with attention-gathering activities: his recent criticism against Jay Maisel and pushing the boundaries of appropriate behavior at a museum in San Francisco come immediately to mind.

This seems to be a shame to me. It’s possible that he’s right on all accounts (for the record, I support Jay in the recent issue and have suspicions about Hawk’s personal behavior in the latter), but his manner of pushing back works to the detriment of all photographers.

I’m sure I’m not being terribly clear, so let’s go with a more generic scenario. It’s 100% legal to take a photograph of someone who is out in public.  Take an attractive woman to a public beach in a bikini, for example, and have her strut around. If some photographer comes up and starts shooting away, there’s nothing that can legally be done about this. It’s not illegal for the photographer to make posing requests, either: “arch that back”, “let’s go for something sexier.”

It might be totally unwelcome and disturbing, but it’s not illegal.

So here’s the thing: if the attractive young lady’s boyfriend/husband/guardian/father (collectively or individually: the defender) comes along and stops you, who’s wrong?  We know it’s not the photographer.  If the confrontation gets physical, the defender will be looking at jail time.  And yet, since the photographer was at the very least creepy, who is going to stand up for the photographer?

Only other (already biased) photographers, who the general public will generally ignore.

I believe that it’s this type of behavior that gives photographers a bad name. While perhaps being correct (legally), actions like this make it impossible to get support from the people around us – and that means we lose it when it’s critical for everyone.

Just a personal thought, I suppose.


Disclaimers:

  • Photographers violating personal space is a bit of a personal issue, so I’m biased towards disliking people who act in such a manner, as did Mr. Hawk at SFMOMA.
  • For the record, I like Mr. Hawk’s work. He is an excellent example of issues I have with photographers in general (some of them, at least).
  • This entire article is an option. Duh.
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